The AFI Interview: ALWAYS SHINE Director Sophia Takal – American Film Institute

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The AFI Interview: ALWAYS SHINE Director Sophia Takal

Filmmaker Sophia Takal is an AFI FEST presented by Audi alumna with her previous film GREEN, showcased at AFI FEST 2011.

In her sophomore feature, ALWAYS SHINE, two actresses, Anna and Beth (Mackenzie Davis and Caitlin FitzGerald), embark on a road trip to Big Sur to mend their damaged friendship — but jealousy begins to open old wounds in this twisted thriller about obsession, fame and femininity.

AFI caught up with Takal to talk about ALWAYS SHINE, which world-premieres at the 2016 Tribeca Film Festival.

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Did ALWAYS SHINE come out of wanting to explore the theme of jealousy — which you examined in your previous film GREEN — further?

Sort of. GREEN was a very personal exploration of my own issues around jealousy, friendship and sexuality. I worked through those issues with GREEN, and they no longer have the same stranglehold on me. But new issues cropped up. Instead of feeling threatened in my romantic partnership, I felt very threatened by other women’s career successes. Right around when GREEN came out, a lot of my friends started working more as actors and directors and I got very, very competitive. 

The idea for the film came from this insane competitiveness that took over me. I became obsessed with my career and felt an insane pressure to be “feminine” — shy, deferential. I traced all of those fears back to early memories of childhood where I felt that I’d been shamed for not embodying these stifling notions of what it was to be a woman. 

I started talking more about my feelings of inadequacy as a woman with friends and realized that no one I knew felt like a “woman” in the way we were taught to feel, either. ALWAYS SHINE began as a desire to examine the negative impact that these very confining ideas can have on a woman’s psychology.  

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This film is reminiscent of the “psychotic women” films of the 1970s. Did you have any of those films in mind when making this? What influenced you while making the film?

Definitely! Robert Altman’s 3 WOMEN was a huge inspiration as was his film IMAGES — as were Ingmar Bergman’s PERSONA, John Cassavetes’ A WOMAN UNDER THE INFLUENCE and Lynn Ramsay’s MORVERN CALLAR.

Lawrence Levine, the screenwriter, read a number of books about celebrity obsession, narcissism and feminism. Books we referenced frequently were “Down from the Pedestal” by by Maxine Harris and “Fame Junkies” by Jake Halpern. 

While you played one of the leads in GREEN, here you stayed behind the camera. Talk about that decision, and how you found Mackenzie Davis and Caitlin FitzGerald.

Deciding not to be in the film was something that I thought about for a long time. Ultimately, I didn’t feel like I would be making the film better by acting and directing. To me, the joy of acting is losing myself in a character; being a director makes that an impossibility. I’m always worried about the camera, or the other actors’ performances. When Mackenzie said she wanted to be in the film, I knew that I found someone who would be infinitely better at bringing Anna to life than I would have been.

I cast Mackenzie and Caitlin the “traditional” way, through agents and casting directors. It was important to me to work with actors I had never worked with before. I wanted to challenge myself to be a sharper communicator and better director and I thought that by casting such talented actors, whom I didn’t know, I would be encouraged to do the best I could.

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As someone who has worked both in front of and behind the camera, how do you approach your actors? Does being an actress yourself help with this process?

Being an actor definitely helps with this process. I can’t imagine knowing how to direct actors without experience as an actor myself. Acting is such a vulnerable, exposing process. I think all directors should learn acting as part of their training.

This was a very intimate shoot with a lot of intense, emotionally complex scenes, so it was important to me to create a very relaxed, collaborative environment. We did meditation and acting warm-ups with the cast and crew. Breaking the barrier between the cast and crew was especially important. I wanted the actors to feel free to fail and to explore and play and I felt that by bringing the crew into the process (with warm-ups), the actors would feel safer. We did a week of rehearsals, too, which helped Mackenzie and Caitlin get to know each other.

This is your second film to premiere at a major festival. How have you navigated the film festival world? Do you have any advice for other filmmakers who are having their first festival experiences?

I think my big advice would be to travel with your film, if you can. I met some great, great friends by going to many festivals with my first film, and they are still my close friends today. And those same friends were so encouraging and really helped me push through and make this second film (even when it seemed like an impossibility). Some of them even worked on it!

Also, maybe just say this mantra that my friend Lindsay Burdge suggested to me: “I have enough,” which is what I say to myself anytime I get nervous about premiering this movie. I realize I’m nervous because I want so much: a great distributor to buy my movie, money to make my next one, only 100% good reviews, everyone to love me… But if I remind myself “I have enough” then I don’t feel nervous anymore. I realize I don’t need anything more than what I have to be happy and whole. 

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